Huber’s No Nonsense Stance on Immigration

Huber proposes no-nonsense Immigration ordinance for city

Simi Valley, CA (7/19/2010):  As mayor, Bob Huber will introduce an ordinance requiring every company that does business with the City of Simi Valley and every business that applies for a business permit in Simi Valley to use E-Verify to ensure every employee has a legal right to work in the United States.

Under the ordinance, all city employees would also be screened by E-verify.

By doing so, Simi Valley will join Lancaster, Palmdale, Mission Viejo, Temecula and other California cities and numerous states in reserving jobs for those who have a legal right to work.

“It is really not clear why the City has not taken this simple step to protect jobs in Simi Valley for hard-working and law-abiding citizens,” Huber said.  “E-Verify is virtually fail-safe, simple and cost-free to employers.”

E-verify is an easy-to-use, Internet based system that compares a person’s name with his or her Social Security number and birth date.  Employers would submit a new employee’s name, birth date and Social Security number to the federal government where it is screened through the Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security databases.  If the check reveals a mismatch, the employee would have 60 days to clear up the discrepancy or be terminated.

“One of the reasons I like E-Verify is that it eliminates racial profiling from the process,” Huber said.  “The computer doesn’t care what race, color, creed or gender a worker is.  It only cares that a person’s name and Social Security number match.”

It also eliminates the use of counterfeit documents prevalent through the use of 1-9 forms, which the city now requires under federal law.  Documents meant to prove citizenry that are submitted with the 1-9 form are not checked through any database.  In fact, in the words of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Service, employers only need “to certify that the documents presented reasonably appear (on their face) to be genuine and to relate to the individual.”  Forgery is commonplace.

More than 192,000 participating employers at more than 705,000 worksites nationwide currently use E-Verify to electronically verify their worker’s employment eligibility.

Huber’s E-Verify proposal is the first in a series of public positions he will unveil in the coming months that are vital to making Simi Valley a better place to live and raise our families but that have not been considered by the current City Council or that have not received the attention the importance of the issue requires.

Huber has a long record of innovation.  As a member of the Simi Valley City Council from 1980-1984, Huber initiated the City’s Fiscal Protection Advisory Committee; the City’s affordable Housing Committee; the City’s Tree Preservation Ordinance; and the official City Historian position.  As a trustee of the Ventura County Community College District, where he now serves as Chair of the Board, Huber initiated the “District Wide Emergency Response” for all three Community Colleges to protect the students after the Virginia Tech tragedy in 2007.  The VCCCD was the first in the state to implement such an emergency program and received a special commendation form the State Chancellor’s office.

86 thoughts on “Huber’s No Nonsense Stance on Immigration

  1. Another issue that doesn’t match Huber’s resume. No e-verify at VCCCD? I can’t wait for Huber to send a press release on his plan to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

    Go back to the schtick on Virginia Tech. At least, it is based on your resume.

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  2. Hi Laura,

    I work in the employment recruiting field and recently fit our internal systems with controls to audit EVerify tracking of employees.

    I can tell you that we didn’t implement it until we began serving government contracts that required it, mostly due to the expense of creating and installing the tracking systems for auditing purposes. Of course, this is for an environment consisting of tens of thousands of employees which is certainly not the norm.

    One other concern that we struggled with was the effort required to “police” the EVerify requirement. Ultimately, we settled on system automation to force the check. The City of Simi Valley won’t have insight into the methods used by local businesses to conduct EVerify searches, making this a tough one to enforce.

    I agree that EVerify is an excellent free government resource that should be used at all levels where employees are hired. I suspect that more research and discussion is required before this ordinance proposal can take off.

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  3. Really John G? So only ideas, suggestions, concepts or policies that you have made previously are legitimate ideas for new endeavors? Are you serious? Based upon that logic, we would have never left the stone ages.

    And how is it that Sojka has been on the council for TWELVE years and all his ads promise a safe city, good schools and a more business friendly city? Based on his tenure at the council, why dont we already have a safe city, good schools and a business friendly city?

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  4. I agree with the above poster. Bob does not seem to have a voice consistent with his credentials. It is like he is running away from who he is to deliver cliches from some cookie cutter campaign book.

    I was on the fence, but with strange announcements like this, I’m leaning toward Sojka.

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  5. I love the stance Mr Huber is taking on illegal immigration. It’s time we take back our country, one city at a time. I’m very glad to see him take a similar position as the Tea Party Movement on this issue. Bravo! Maybe we can expect Mr. Huber to express his support for Arizona’s SB1070? That would be true leadership that listens!

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  6. This would be awesome… We can make it even more expensive to own and operate a business in Simi Valley! Next we can eliminate crossing guards and replace them with e-guards so that we can be assured that kids cross the street correctly and oh by the way we will make the parents pay for the electricity?!?!? I wonder why business owners are taking their companies outside of CA??

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  7. If your saying this cant be enforced because of cost to enforce, then you need to read this carefully. The biggest part of this is the city has to do e-verify whenever they hire so that’s for city employees. Its a very very smart move so the city stops hiring illegal aliens once and for all. I am voting for Bob Huber. We should work together to take back our jobs in Simi

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  8. How the hell did one of the “issues” for Mayor become E-Verify? Are you people for real? More of the same, all fluff and no stuff. My vote: none of the above!

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  9. This is innovative and ‘out of the box thinking’ to take Simi into the future. Good move Mr. Huber. I’m not going to knock good ideas from either candidate.

    I’ve been in Simi for 30 years. I owned a few businesses in SImi. We have a unique geography /access which protects our safety. This closed valley access also gives us the ability to create a level and better employment environment for the worker and the employer. eVerify is the future. Both political parties like eVerify for different reasons. Anyone who thinks this policy is ‘above’ the city level is a complete fool.

    Our next wave of city leaders will to move beyond retail and home building. Hopefully the city has gotten ‘The Mall’ out of its system…finally. Hopefully we will all be able to sustain the likely retail vacancies that will be upon us in the next 24 months. We need real leadership to bolster up the employment base and community economy with a number of sensible ideas like eVerify.

    I’m leaning towards Huber right now. We need innovation and big ideas. eVerify captures both.

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  10. I’m often very frustrated with the Government’s lack of initiative of this important issue. Finally someone is taking it seriously and it’s on the LOCAL level. Very impressive Mr. Huber. You’ve got my family’s vote!

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  11. I have to plead ignorance and hope you guys can shed some light. How is this important and how does it impact simi valley? Not trying to start anything I just really don’t understand this.

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  12. It’s simple William, we get the illegals out of Simi Valley once and for all. Mr. Huber’s good friend, the Congressman Elton Gallegly, has been trying this for years with no success. Finally, we can elect someone who can get rid of these people for good. I’d like to see Mr. Huber back Arizona’s illegal immigration bill SB1070. That would send a clear message to voters who the BIG thinker in this race really is.

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  13. “Mike C”: I really am a supporter of Mr. Huber. You can doubt my comments all you want, just don’t doubt that I’m supporting Mr. Huber. I’m a Tea Party Patriot and I support a guy like Mr. Huber who stands up for our liberties. I agree this is about jobs, but it’s also about protecting our country from illegals. They are costing this country billions of dollars in wasted taxpayer dollars. If we get rid of them, we’ll have more jobs for hard working Americans and a leaner meaner government. Not this tax and spend crap Obama is giving us. Am I wrong?

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  14. James is really on to something. We’ve been hearing for years that we’re going to fix the immigration problem in this country. Here’s a chance to do it at the local level. Would could be better? I support you Bob! Time to clean up this town!

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  15. Obama isn’t even from this country. Finally, a Mayoral candidate who is going to take back this country from foreigners. Go Bob Huber!

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  16. I think you’re missing the mark here. EVerify is about online verification of the legal right to work. It’s not a filter for finding and removing illegal aliens, but actually serves as a possible replacement (in the future maybe) for the required I9 Document. Currently, I9 docs are required while EVerify is not.

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  17. Mr. Chandler – thank you. If its just for verify the legal right to work, aren’t simi valley employers (or all employers) supposed to do that already? Trying to understand here, thanks.

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  18. William, yes it is an employer’s responsibility to verify an employee’s right to work. This means all documentation must be in order, such as state ID, Social security card, and so on. These are documented on the I9. EVerify adds an extra layer of verification that ensures this documentation is legitimate. Does that make sense?

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  19. If the city cant force businesses to always hire legally now, how can they force them to use the e-verify system? Will they police it, surprise audits? What does that cost?

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  20. William, those are all great questions. And at the risk of sounding evasive, I’m afraid I can’t answer them for you, not without more info. I do know that use of EVerify for city employees is likely just a matter of changing policy and training since the verification service is free and on the web.

    As far as requiring the use of EVerify locally, I’ve had the same question as to how an ordinance like that would be enforced. It’s a good question. Let me contact the folks on the Huber campaign and ask them directly.

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  21. Mike C,

    Really tell me one program that you have found that is actually “cost free?” That is why the word “virtually” was very well placed in that sentence.
    Has anyone taken a look at the financial impact on the nations economy if we “get rid of them illegals” we have a generational gap coming between the baby boomers and the echo boomers that must be filled or our economy may implode. We have the process in place however our city is as guilty as the guy hiring day labor acting like its not his problem.
    Accountability is the answer not e-verifying! This is a campaign builder initiative and will never be acted on like many others.

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  22. The bottom line is E-Verify is a GOVERNMENT program – and at that, a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT program. Which means it is as incompetent and as inefficient as it comes. Might as well have the U.S. Postal Service run it.

    Good work, Gallegly, pasting this onto your candidate. I did not think the race card would be played this early, but I knew it would eventually because, after all, this is a Gallegly campaign.

    HRMagazine, May 1, 2010

    Changes ahead for E-Verify;

    U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has announced a set of initiatives designed to improve the accuracy and efficiency of E-Verify – the federal government’s electronic employment verification system.

    Homeland Security and U.S. Department of Justice officials have agreed to streamline the processes and investigations of claims of immigration bias and employer misuse of the E-Verify system. A telephone hotline for workers and job seekers who want information on E-Verify and two training videos that outline E-Verify’s processes and policies and explain the rights of employees and responsibilities are available.

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  23. If the federal government runs it, it is not reliable.

    And why is someone proposing to insert the federal government’s authority into our city? Washington, D.C., in Simi? No way.

    Feds: if you did your job, no one locally would have to think about this.

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  24. I run my own business from home. Nice, I’d have to pay for the federal government to check if I am a citizen? Or the City pays, or taxpayers pay?

    How dumb.

    Just because Lancaster and Palmdale does it does not mean it’s good for Simi Valley.

    I guess I’ll have to make a living without a City business permit. Tally that lost revenue on top of the costs.

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  25. Sara,

    Do you file any forms electronically? TeacherLinda can you read Mike C’s earlier explanations of eVerify? It should be compared to eFile with the IRS.

    E-Verify’s most impressive features are its speed and accuracy. E-Verify is the only service that verifies employees’ data against millions of government records and provides results within seconds. There’s no other program that provides the same peace of mind in such little time.

    E-Verify compares the information an employee provides on Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, against millions of government records and generally provides results in three to five seconds. If the information matches, that employee is eligible to work in the United States. If there’s a mismatch, E-Verify will alert the employer and the employee will be allowed to work while he or she resolves the problem.

    E-Verify works by comparing information entered from an employee’s Form I-9 to:

    455 million Social Security Administration (SSA) records
    80 million U.S. Department of Homeland Security records
    U.S. Department of Homeland Security databases contain records about employment-based visas, immigration and naturalization status, and U.S. passport issuance, which allow E-Verify to compare information against a wide variety of sources.

    E-Verify Statistics
    96 percent of initial responses were consistent with employment eligibility status
    93.1 percent of all E-Verify cases involved authorized workers who were initially found to be employment authorized
    2.9 percent of all E-Verify cases involved unauthorized workers who received final nonconfirmations
    The statistics show E-Verify works. E-Verify confirms employment eligibility instantly in most cases or identifies those not eligible to work in the United States. Even for employees who receive initial mismatches and are later confirmed as work authorized, E-Verify informs them of possible errors with their government records. By clearing up mismatches sooner rather than later, E-Verify can save these employees significant time and frustration.

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  26. E-Verify is an unreliable federal government program, supported by President Obama and opposed by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and questioned by the National League of Cities. Requiring it of Simi Valley businesses is an assault on the local business community.

    This falls in line with a certain distaste for the local business community. “We are not the chamber of commerce, we are the city council. We are the leaders of this community,” Bob Huber said in The Enterprise, Jan. 28, 1981, pushing for the City to run and fund Shop Simi Valley without involvement by the Simi Valley Chamber of Commerce.

    AP, February 25, 2010

    E-Verify Misses Half of Illegal Workers, Report Finds
    Online tool Congress and the Obama administration want employers to use to help curb illegal immigration wrongly clears illegal workers about 54 percent of the time.

    WASHINGTON – The system Congress and the Obama administration want employers to use to help curb illegal immigration is failing to catch more than half the number of unauthorized workers it checks, a research company has found.
    The online tool E-Verify, now used voluntarily by employers, wrongly clears illegal workers about 54 percent of the time, according to Westat, a research company that evaluated the system for the Homeland Security Department. E-Verify missed so many illegal workers mainly because it can’t detect identity fraud, Westat said.
    “Clearly it means it’s not doing it’s No. 1 job well enough,” said Mark Rosenblum, a researcher at the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan, Washington think tank.
    E-Verify allows employers to run a worker’s information against Homeland Security and Social Security databases to check whether they are permitted to work in the U.S. The Obama administration has made cracking down on employers who hire people here illegally a central part of its immigration enforcement policy, and there are expectations that some Republicans in Congress will try in coming weeks to make E-Verify mandatory.
    E-Verify correctly identified legal workers 93 percent of the time, Westat said. However, previous studies have not quantified how many immigrants were fooling the E-Verify system. Much of the criticism of E-Verify has focused on whether U.S. citizens and legal immigrants with permission to work were falsely flagged as illegal workers.
    Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, who is writing the Democrats’ immigration bill and has fought expanding E-Verify because of its flaws, said Wednesday that the fact that E-Verify was inaccurate so often shows that it is not an adequate tool.
    “This is a wake-up call to anyone who thinks E-verify is an effective remedy to stop the hiring of illegal immigrants,” Schumer said.
    A so-called worker verification process like E-Verify is considered essential to any immigration overhaul proposal that has any chance of approval in Congress.
    Westat’s report, completed in December 2009 using data from the previous year, was quietly posted on Homeland Security’s Web site Jan. 28 along with a summary that pointed out E-Verify is accurate “almost half of the time.”
    “While not perfect, it is important to note that E-Verify is much more effective” than the I-9 paper forms used by most employers, the summary said.
    Rosenblum, who has studied E-Verify, said Westat’s evaluation shows it doesn’t make sense to substantially expand and invest in E-Verify without fixing the identity theft problem.
    Bill Wright, a spokesman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, said the agency, part of the Homeland Security Department, has created an anti-immigrant identity fraud unit in Buffalo, New York, to address the issue.
    The agency is developing a way for people to screen themselves through E-Verify so they can show potential employers they can legally work.
    About 184,000 of the nation’s 7 million to 8 million employers are using E-Verify, the Homeland Security Department says on its Web site.
    Congress gave DHS about $100 million to spend on E-Verify in its 2010 budget.

    Large portions of the business community, however, resist E-Verify. The HR Initiative for a Legal Workforce, which is led by the Society for Human Resource Management, criticizes E-Verify for relying on the Social Security database, which has a 4.1 percent error rate and could mistakenly declare millions of people ineligible for employment.
    “Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives, people that are pro-immigration, people that are tough on enforcement all have said very clearly that E-Verify doesn’t work,” says Mike Aitken, SHRM director of governmental affairs.
    SHRM led the charge last year to remove from appropriations bills language that would have required federal contractors to use E-Verify.
    “It’s a backdoor mandate that overrides the intent of Congress to establish a voluntary program,” Aitken says.
    The expansion of E-Verify also gets resistance on Capitol Hill. Most of the testimony in a recent House Ways & Means subcommittee hearing was sharply negative.
    “It would be very difficult to get a majority to vote for a nationalization of the E-Verify system at this point in time,” says Rep. Michael McNulty, D-New York and chairman of the panel. “This whole issue needs a lot more careful thought.”
    McNulty expressed concerns that employment verification would overload a Social Security Administration already burdened with a massive backlog of disability claims.
    Although immigration policy has stalled on Capitol Hill because of partisan tensions on the issue, Congress must act this year on employment verification. The law enacting E-Verify expires in November.

    Wall Street Journal, Feb. 25, 2010

    Illegal Workers Slip by System

    Homeland Security Program Seen Failing to Catch Half of Unauthorized Hires

    The Department of Homeland Security’s controversial and much-touted E-Verify program might be failing to detect one out of two illegal workers whose employment authorizations are screened, outside consultants have told the agency.
    Tens of thousands of companies participate in E-Verify, either voluntarily or as a condition of doing business with the government.
    The Internet-based program checks information provided by new hires against Social Security Administration and Homeland Security databases to confirm they are U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents of the country.
    An evaluation of E-Verify carried out for DHS by research group Westat found the program couldn’t confirm whether information workers were presenting was their own, and, as a result, “many unauthorized workers obtain employment by committing identity fraud that cannot be detected by E-Verify,” Westat told the department. Westat put the “inaccuracy rate for unauthorized workers” at about 54%.
    E-Verify has previously faced criticism for failing to authorize individuals who are permitted to work in the U.S.
    A spokesman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, a unit of DHS, said the department already was working on improvements to the program, including adding more databases and a photo screening tool, and setting up a monitoring and compliance branch to detect identity fraud.
    “The Westat report shows that E-Verify’s accuracy continues to improve, with the vast majority of all cases automatically found to be work-authorized,” said CIS deputy press secretary Bill Wright. The evaluation found that, overall, E-Verify accurately screened 96% of workers, correctly identifying 93.1% of cases as people allowed to work in the U.S. and 2.9% as unauthorized. Some 3.3% of cases were illegal workers mistaken for legal workers, and 0.7% were individuals who could work in the U.S. but were not initially identified that way.
    Westat, of Rockville, Md., regularly advises the federal government. The company didn’t respond to a request for comment.
    The research company submitted its report in December. It was posted on the Web site of Citizenship and Immigration Services but has received little public attention.
    All federal contractors are required to enroll in E-Verify within 30 days of being awarded a government contract. At least 10 states use the system to check the work-eligibility of state workers. Some states, like Arizona and Mississippi, require all employers to use E-Verify, regardless of whether they are state contractors.
    Congressional Republicans are pushing to expand the program and for it to be included in federal jobs-creation proposals.
    E-Verify was stepped up under former President George W. Bush, and the administration of President Barack Obama has maintained support for the program, taking a tough immigration-enforcement stance designed in part to win support for a broader campaign to create a path to legal residency and citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants.

    Privacy Law Blog

    E-Verify Litigation Resumes as Homeland Security Decides to Implement Mandatory Use Rule

    Posted on July 22, 2009 by Jeremy Mittman

    In January 2009, we reported on the postponement of a controversial federal regulation resulting from a legal challenge filed by Proskauer Rose on behalf of several trade organizations, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The rule, the result of an executive order signed by then-President George W. Bush, requires most federal contractors and subcontractors to verify their employees’ work eligibility using the Department of Homeland Security’s E-Verify system. On July 8, 2009, President Barack Obama’s Administration announced its plan to go forward with the rule. Immediately after this announcement, the U.S. Senate approved legislation that would codify the rule into law.
    E-Verify is a joint effort between the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration that provides an Internet-based verification system for employers to determine the work status of their employees. Concerns have been raised about the burdens on both employers and employees under the mandated use of E-Verify. Employers are concerned about the cost of yet one more obstacle to hiring and maintaining employees and about the possibility of losing qualified employees or potential employees as a result of E-Verify’s 5 percent error rate. Employees face losing current or potential jobs as a result of these false negatives, which are caused by either clerical errors or identity theft. And because E-Verify doesn’t screen against identity theft, some commentators have expressed concern that its increased use will incentivize illegal workers to engage in such theft as an alternative to using false or fabricated information.

    On December 23, 2008, Proskauer filed a complaint—on behalf of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc.; the Society for Human Resource Management; the American Council on International Personnel; and HR Policy Association—in the United States District Court for the District of Maryland, claiming that the Federal Contractor Rule is an unconstitutional usurpation of Congress’s power and is in conflict with Congressional statutes. In response to this litigation, the federal government has delayed the implementation of the contractor rule several times. On January 28, 2009, the government moved for the district court to stay the proceedings until the Obama Administration could review the rule and determine whether it wanted to implement or abandon it. The court granted the motion and agreed to stay the proceedings, ultimately extending the stay until August 17, 2009.

    Six months later, the Obama Administration has decided to move forward with the implementation of the rule. In a press release on July 8, 2009, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced the Administration’s intent to implement the rule, praising its ability to aid in immigration law enforcement. The rule is scheduled to take effect on September 8, 2009. The press release also announced the Administration’s plans to propose a new regulation which would rescind the 2007 “No-Match” Rule, which requires employers to take action against employees who provide information on their W-2 form that does not match information in the Social Security Administration’s database.

    Following Homeland Security’s official announcement, the government has reported to the district court its intentions to “retain the Final Rule and its current applicability date of September 8, 2009” and “defend this litigation as appropriate upon the termination of the stay.” In order to “facilitate a ruling on the pending motion prior to the Final Rule taking effect,” the court issued an order lifting the stay. Litigation is scheduled to resume with briefs to be filed this month and a summary judgment hearing on August 28, 2009.

    Elsewhere in Washington, D.C., the United States Senate has also weighed in in favor of E-Verify. On July 8, 2009, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama succeeded in amending a Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill to make E-Verify a permanent program and to mandate federal contractors use the system. Senator David Vitter of Louisiana also successfully moved to amend the bill to forbid the Department of Homeland Security from rescinding the Federal Contractor Rule or the No-Match Rule. The Senate version of the bill with these two amendments was approved of by a vote of the Senate on July 9, 2009. Conferees from the House of Representatives and the Senate will determine whether these amendments remain in the final bill to be presented to President Obama for his signature.
    The pending case is Chamber of Commerce of the U.S. v. Napolitano, No. AW-08-344 (D. Md. filed Dec. 23, 2008). The DHS appropriations bill is H.R. 2892, 111th Cong. (2009).

    Riverside Mayor Ron Loveridge, board president of the National League of Cities, said he doesn’t anticipate his council taking on immigration.
    “You can’t have 19,000 cities and towns with different immigration policies,” Loveridge said.
    “This is really the role and responsibility of the federal government, and Congress needs to step up and pass immigration legislation,” he said. “That’s where I think the focus should be.”

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  27. Hi Gabe,

    I’m trying to prepare a follow-up on this topic to elaborate on this program because the system itself strikes me as relatively benign. Would you mind using my contact page to email me some info on your sources for the comment you just posted?

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  28. I think it’s important that we all stop and see what is going on here. Bob is digging into his bag of tricks to create a splash in this one-sided race for mayor. Proposing a solution to a non-existent problem is not just wasting our time, but it’s wasting his.

    If the business community was truly concerned about the legal status of its employees, they could have gone on their own and adopted the system. They don’t need big government invading their board rooms and making these decsions on their behalf.

    And calling something that can be done over Al Gore’s Internet “innovative” or an “embrace” of technology is simply insulting the intelligence of voters.

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  29. I agree that the description of the technology as “innovative” may be much. Searchable document repositories are nothing new, and neither is EVerify for that matter. The program has been around for well over 10 years in different iterations.

    I think before both celebrating or slamming this news, we should pursue a specific answer: exactly what Simi Valley problem does this ordinance work to solve?

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  30. Just the fact that the guy calls himself Hubris shows he is a disrespectful asshole. Mike, I urge you to delete that jerk who like the Styx song has Too much time on his hands. The fact that Huber has been involved in community service in Simi Valley for over 40 years should earn him some respect. He was the President of the Chamber when Sojka was in Elementary school. You can’t buy experience. When I see him or Honest Gabe post I don’t even bother to read. I was thinking the Sojka supporters would not be such assholes.

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  31. This discussion is ridiculous. An I9 is required for all employees. Simple and known for almost 24 years.

    From the IRS : “The purpose of this form is to document that each new employee (both citizen and noncitizen) hired after November 6, 1986, is authorized to work in the United States.

    All employees (citizens and noncitizens) hired after November 6, 1986, and working in the United States must complete form I9”.

    The current process and requirement makes it very easy for people to gain employment under assumed identities. This is not just a citizen issue but also criminals hiding from law enforcement.

    I like the idea of the city using E-Verifiy system as it would be a really sad day if a sexual predator was able to gain employment in our city with an assumed identity.

    There is a show on the Investigation Discovery Channel called “I Almost Got Away with It”. They cover cases where criminals involved in heinous crimes change their identities and hide from the authorities.

    If E-Verify can act as a second layer to cross reference Social Security numbers names and any other identification provided by new hires, then this should be welcome as another added step in providing safety for our community.

    I like my fish tacos as much as the next guy, but this is a much bigger issue than just picking on our friends from south of the border.

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  32. Mike Chandler,

    I gathered the information from a 15-minute research session using Google. They are all media stories widely publicly available. Since they are in the public domain, I copied and pasted them, to present to your audience. I can easily get more, with time.

    Feel free to ask if any particular item piques your interest.

    Gabe

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  33. Mr. Mackel,

    I agreed with everything you said, except this:

    “If E-Verify can act as a second layer to cross reference Social Security numbers names and any other identification provided by new hires, then this should be welcome as another added step in providing safety for our community.”

    The key is “hires.” That means every single employee engaged. It’s something else for businesses to deal with, on top of what they already must do with every employee regarding citizenship, and they don’t want to deal with government any more than they have to. Hence, Mr. Huber is assaulting local businesses with more crap.

    It begs the question of what’s next? OK, a second layer. Then we get a third, and fourth, and fifth, from various layers of government. Cool, we have 19 layers of safety! Do you feel safer?

    For what real, honest good? And at what cost in terms of business cost, time, and more.

    E-Verify is run by the Department of Homeland Security. A federal agency that has not proved it can do anything correctly or productively.

    Business owners have enough layers and hoops and bureaucracy.

    Why doesn’t Mr. Huber just insist Elton Gallegly actually accomplish anything and get true immigration reform passed? Immigration is a federal issue. Gallegly has campaigned on immigration reform since Gorbachev was around. Why do we even have to have this discussion for the City of Simi Valley?

    Because Elton told Bob he should.

    That’s the real question here. Why is Huber proposing that the City of Simi Valley address what Gallegly has failed to address in 20+ years? Yikes.

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  34. All right! A Styx reference. Man, that’s not even the ’80s, it’s really the late ’70s.

    Let’s take Simi Valley back to the ’80s! Vote Huber, and never have Too Much Time of Your Hands, or worry about Mr. Roboto! Carry On, Wayward Son!

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  35. Watching the Huber campaign flip out on here is hilarious. It is almost as if they didn’t bother to look at the policy itself. “Hey, give me something that appeals to the anti-immigrant crowd. E-Verify? Sounds great!” Keep digging! The hole looks great!

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  36. I’ve submitted a couple of questions to the Huber campaign for clarification. They need a little time to get back to me, but when they’re good to go, I’ll submit their responses in a follow-up that might better steer this discussion. I think until then, this discussion might just be a stalemate between those of you with grossly differing opinions.

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  37. Actually Mike,

    If this campaign was worth a salt, they would have provided you a backgrounder with the release to provide more in-depth policy answers.

    It would have answered a lot of questions and demonstrated they had thought out this policy idea.

    They didn’t. This behavior is dangerous for a Mayoral candidate. We can’t afford a Mayor who doesn’t think things out enough for a blog, let alone city hall.

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  38. Honest Gabe,

    Well since at one time I had a business for over 12 years here in Simi Valley which employed over 40 people and my wife and I were the HR department, I think I am qualified to speak to the strain that it would put on a small business.

    I just went over and visited the E-Verify site and watched the Video on how the program works. http://bit.ly/ahknf5

    There is no fee to use the system and I am not sure where the extra cost comes in. Since I dealt with I9s all the time in a business setting with a good size employee base, the idea of having to add the information form the I9 into the E-Verify system is not a big deal. The I9 without the background check is a waste of time.

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  39. Are you kidding? We need to have a follow-up because Bob hasn’t thought about basic issues related to Everify? This is ridiculous.

    Yeah, I want a Mayor who proposes things and can’t answer basic questions about his proposals. What a joke!!!

    Why not just hand a monkey a handgun for the next two years?

    Time to huddle and get answers Bob for your rudderless decision-making!

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  40. This discussion has become utterly ridiculous. Wether you like or loathe the idea of E Verify, you have to give the Huber camp credit for coming out with a bold proposal and being willing to take the heat on it. There is NO honor in lying low and taking the easy road which is what most politicians do.

    As far as Boomer’s comment that because the Huber camp didn’t didn’t stop what they were doing to submit answers to Mike’s questions fast enough, is somehow “Dangerous”, is absurd. Lets at least be honest. Both these candidates have businesses to run and no disrespect Mike, but it’s not like it’s CNN calling.

    The reality is that both of these candidates will have to convince at least 51% of approx. 45,000 voters in Simi Valley, that they deserve the chance to be Mayor. So rant all you want. The truth is the few hundred or so that read the blogs probably aren’t going to sway any elections. So why not keep it civil and intelligent?

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  41. No disrespect taken Jim. The Huber team has been very cooperative with me regarding answering my questions with my full understanding that they have no obligation to do so beyond what they would normally do for any voter.

    Relax Sam. I’ll get a couple of questions answered most likely with some additional remarks based on some of the comments here, some of which are not worth dignifying. Until then, we’re all better off chilling out a bit.

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  42. BS. You release it for public consumption, you better be ready to answer the questions! Hiding behind your job? Did your dog eat your homework too?

    Very poor campaign work Bob. You are looking more and more like a novice everyday.

    Who would have thought people would question immigration issues? Geesh, if you didn’t understand, you should just drop out now and admit your tone deaf to reality.

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  43. Sam, I probably won’t be able to change your mind, but I’ll tell you that’s not right. Bob Huber and his campaign staff have full time jobs as well as various campaign priorities. They’re addressing other priorities and said as much when I asked a couple of questions. Let’s stick a pin in this for now.

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  44. Hey Mike, your the most vocal supporter of Bob Huber. Maybe they should hire you to manage their public relations. Your doing really well against Steve Sojka. Good job buddy!

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  45. Mike:

    Wouldn’t you admit that if a campaign releases a piece of their platform, they should provide in depth analysis and an FAQ ahead of time.

    It is very telling that the Huber campaign lacks answers on a major policy announcement. It shows he is unprepared to answer for the platform he puts forth.

    Being unprepared to answer for your platform speaks to Huber’s fitness to lead. In this regard, he appears completely unfit.

    This is a campaign for Mayor. If you can’t answer for your news release with basic answers you show a level of unfitness to lead that is worth evaluation.

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  46. Boomer, I can admit that, yes FAQs should be prepared. But I honestly think the delay has less to do with preparation and more to do with where I fall on the scale of importance for campaigns. They may very well be actively answering questions for the Star and Acorn. I’ll get my answers eventually. But really, all I can do is assume.

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  47. Dear Bob: Fire your campaign people. They can’t even give background to a major policy initiative. Put this gaffe next to failure to order signs on time last week.

    Time to clean house.

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  48. After reading, and commenting, on this subject I cannot wait to here Huber’s plan for peace in the middle east and how he is going to attack that as mayor of Simi Valley… Let me know how you are going to help keep small businesses here in the city so that we keep jobs, revenue, and safety as top priorities.

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